I recently purchased a .22 rifle with a 'match chamber'. The manufacturer provided a warning about CCI Stinger ammo. Specifically, they said the Stinger ammo has longer brass than standard .22 long rifle ammo, and that it would damage a match chamber because the slop inherent in cheaper .22 chambers accomodated the longer brass / shorter bullet combo of the Stinger ammo. I happened to have some Stinger ammo on hand, and sure enough, the brass is about an eighth of an inch longer but the overall length is the same as a normal .22 long rifle round. I am not fool enough to test what sounds like a sound theory, but I thought I would pass along some info that I have never noticed on my own. I doubt I would have noticed without something like this to make me investigate. I primarily shot the Stinger ammo in my old Remington 610 bolt action, and as far as I know it hasn't hurt it. I am discontinuing their use. Besides, I have fallen in love with a newer load known as a 'Velocitor'. It is a full 40 grain slug with a potent charge behind it. I have been extemely pleased with accuracy, and terminal
Who makes this velocitor? I have dropped many a deer on the farm with CCI Stinger and it is my main small game load so I don't have to pich shot out of my roast bird. I use it now because most 22 ammo seems downloaded from what it was since when I was a kid. CCI also seems the only ammo that shoots 100% of the time with no duds. Most of the time Winchester, Remington and Federal will have upwards of 10 duds per box. Daniel
I got the same warning from ruger with my 10/22, never new why, I always thought it was because they were too hot a load for the action. Your explanation of longer brass makes more sense however. Thanks.
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Did I read this right? Are you '...dropping deer...' with a .22 LR?
I also wonder if he's talking about the small individual box or the 'brick' that I believe typically contains 500rds? 10 out of 500 is a 2% failure rate. That's not bad, but I'd still check the gun.
That is the way I read it and not something I would do.
On the other hand I have heard a lot of deer population control is done with suppressed 22lr's with subsonic 40grn or 60grn (Aguila).
Nope, no matter what .22 I use, one of three bolt actions, two single shots or the 10/22 Whenever I shoot Remington, Winchester, or Federal I always get duds. CCI has been the only reliable .22 ammo I have found.
#On Thu, 18 Sep 2003 06:59:58 -0400, Mauser 270 # #>Who makes this velocitor? I have dropped many a deer on the farm with CCI #>Stinger and it is my main small game load .....
#Did I read this right? Are you '...dropping deer...' with a .22 LR?
Yep, that is what he said. Somewhat surprising that more people did not notice this short comment.
I do not know the laws in all the states but it would seem that if a 22 caliber is legal for deer then it would have to be centerfire and not rimfire.
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Thay will drop right in their tracks ifthe shot is right on the money. We shoot them in the ear or right behind the ear with hollowpoint 22LR's.Just to keep them out of the garden.and yes we eat them or give em to needy familys.
Using a .22 for deer control is not something I have done for about 17 years. As a boy on the farm its the best thing to use to keep them from eating all the corn and not wake up everyone on the farm at 5:00AM. Granpa, and a couple uncles would be awake and of course Grandma would already be cooking breakfast but everyone else would still be in bed. Heck thats how I learned. I wish we could still hunt game birds(grouse and dove) with a .22 but in Oregon you cant. back to picking shot. BTW, I don't buy .22 by the
I must say I have had the same experience with most .22 ammunition, even Remington which use to be among the best. But Federal is especially bad with greater than 10% duds in a box of 50 rounds!!
The .22 Stinger ammo firest every time and is deadly on squirrels and other small game. I have been using my old .22 semi-auto (Remington) and have not noticed any damage.
you can kill them with shorts too.
i have shot more deer with a .22lr than anything else------learn gun control!!!!!!!!
steve wonder can kill dear with .22lr
i use stingers to butcher cow and have even killed buffalo
I wonder why. The case is a bit longer, but the diameter of the case is exactly the same as the bullet. My family owns 2 of the 10/22's, one since the 80's. and use exclusively stingers and we do a lot of shooting. We don't plan any changes until I see some damage, none so far.
Take a close look at the stinger and any other .22. The diameter of the bullet and the case is exactly the same, so what damage is going to be done? If the case being longer was a problem the case would jam in the chamber and cause a problem extracting. No such problem has ever occurred.
I have used the stinger in many different weapons for many years and no damage has been done. Page 1 of my 10/22 warns of using stingers. It's the best performing ammo I've ever used in it.
I just purchased CCI Stingers and I had nothing but problems. I shoot a Marlin Bolt Action Tube Fed. Never had any problems with any 22 rounds until today. Most of the rounds wouldn't eject. Some would jam when I tried to load them. On my last attempt (after being very frustrated)at trying to clear a spent casing from the chamber and loading the next round, the live round flipped straight up and was stuck. I actually had to take the rifle apart including the feeding mechanism to get the round out. I used my calipers to check the size of the Stingers and found that they were roughly 3 tenths of an inch longer than the Remington rounds that I have been using. To experiment I loaded a round into the chamber, then tried to extract it once more, of course it was stuck in the rifle. I took the bolt out and used a cleaning rod to push the round out and noticed that I had to apply a lot of pressure to get the live round out of the chamber. Took those rounds back and replaced them with the Velocitors. They seem to work just fine, even though they are a tenth of an inch longer than the Remingtons.
You might want to check and if your bolt needs cleaning,sounds like a slow firing pin,if their is crud in the head space area where the rim sets in the chamber then this can cause a cushioning effect when the firing pin hits the rim causing a misfire.I shoot a lot of rim fires and i cant remember the last time Ive had a dud,10% is unacceptable.Good luck dennis
I've just looked at the manual, the warning specificly says that it applies to the 10 22 target model only. The reciever is different, and the slightly longer case will jam on ejection. bummer. I was looking forward to trying out the Stingers. Just bought a box of 50, I'll have to use those in the pistol instead. The Velocitor round is also made by CCI, and is rated at 1380 fps. I'll have to find some of those.
tech30528 You're no doubt right on the target 10/22. I have no experience with it. That could be because the extra spin created will surely affect the accuracy.
Yea nice going numb nuts posting your illegal deer culling story's. As a deer stalker myself idiots like you really piss me off. Think you should keep story's like that to yourself ****
My firing pin on my Remington 597 is hitting on the edge of the 22 LR bullets. I am having about 20% misfires. Can I adjust the pin to hit closer to the center?
that's why they call them rimfire you idiot...
RESS5, I don't know much about the Rem 597, but a rim fire is a rim fire typically. If you are having that many misfires, I would check to make sure that the seat where the back of the bullet sits in the bolt is completely clean. When carbon builds up here, the round will not sit inside of the "Pit" correctly and when the firing pin goes to strike the rim of the round, it only leaves a small dent because the rim end is sitting to far forward. Wish I could draw you a picture. If you have adequate knowledge of how to properly maintain your 22 then maybe try switching to a different brand of bullet.
Your an idiot. You can do whatever you like on PRIVATE PROPERTY. Mind your own business, ****.
I don't get the manufacturers warning here. A Stinger is a .22 Long Rifle cartridge, hence the length of a .22 Long Rifle. Brass length doesn't matter one bit as long as the over-all length of the cartridge, including projectile, does not exceed that length. The ONLY way it would be an issue would be if .22's headspaced on the case neck. But they do NOT. They are a rimmed cartridge and headspace on the rim of case. While loaded hotter than most available factory offerings, 99.9% of modern rifles/handguns produced can handle the pressures generated by them.